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25 Responses to “Claire McCaskill’s Office Holds Town Hall– Tea Party Breaks Out”
interesting post. It is funny you say read economics, because if you read economics yourself (or even layman’s news for that matter) you would reason that these banks with high paid CEO’s (AIG, Citigroup, etc..) went bankrupt and that by letting them fail they wouuld go broke and lose their bonuses. However, we paid them for failing and they used that money for bonuses. If we didn’t pay them bailout money, they would have no bonuses, its simple as that.
When the fix is so easy: 1.tort reform, and 2.make all insurance companies available to us, so as to drive down prices via competitiion, the rational thinkers know something sinister is in the air. Just like the bailouts…wanna fix the economy? Simply let the people keep all of their money for 2 months. Get the grubby gov. hands out of our pockets for a short whole and bingo-done. What did they do? The total opposite. I smell a revolution.
You haven’t seen angry yet, septfer. When they jam this down the people’s throat,against their will, by their “representative” government, you will see angry.
No, I do not think you or any none stock holder has any basis to claim anyone in any corporation is over paid. That is a decision that should be made by the owners of the company. Do you think the Yankee’s pay ARod too much? Who cares? The owner of the Yankee’s disagrees and it is his money.
The AIG bonuses were going to executives in the portion of that business that made money.
What do the drugs cost to develop? Who should pay that cost?
You don’t think execs are overpaid? Are you insane? The ratio of highest to lowest paid in this country is over 400 to 1 – it was 40 to 1 in the 70’s. No other developed country comes close – Germany is 15 to 1. Who am I to decide? I live here. So do you. Our economy is in a shambles because of all this greed. You think the AIG execs deserved $1M bonuses after destroying the economy? We pay twice as much for drugs for Medicare than Canada does – that’s our tax dollars. Read some economics!
Maybe because they EARNED 90% of the growth. Who the hell are you to decide that any executive is overpaid? The shareholders who own the company get to decide how much their work is worth, no one else.
How does it work that of every $10 worth of growth over the last 8 years, $9 went to the top 1%? Excessive pay for pharmaceutical execs for example, who charge Medicare twice as much for medications as they charge in other countries and get the govt to make it a crime for us to buy from those countries. Or how about those investment execs who drove our economy into the ground and left with HUGE bonuses? Where do you think the super rich come from? If they pay more, we have more for the rest.
nnhansen, a public option has no more unfair advantage then the already bloated health insurance industry that benefits off a system that gets 45% of it’s wealth from the govt as it is. And even though each year the govt subsidies (ie CORPORATE WELFARE) is increased for the healthcare industry, the actual level of care goes down. If the so-called “private” health insurance industry wants to continue to get FREE MONEY they need to deliver results or shut the hell up.
willyohio, there are NO PRIVISIONS to DISMANTLE what already exists. And, if what already exists actually fully worked & the FREE GOVT MONEY that health insurers already receive (to the tune of 45% of health care operating costs) went into insuring more Americans and raising care levels instead of resulted in 19% more Americans being thrown off the insurance rolls and our level of care going down while record profits and record salaries are posted for insurance execs, then we can preserve it.
why must we revamp the entire system to cover you? Yes, let’s get something for you, lets patch those cracks so you don’t fall through them, but don’t dismantle what I have and create a huge mess.
I cannot get health care insurance because I have a preexisting condition. Thankfully I am a veteran and have access to health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is socialized medicine. The VA has given me excellent service. I know many others who cannot get insurance because of such things like diabetes. My question for those who do not want reform, what do you propose for people who cannot get insurance or must pay over $800 a month to get limited coverage to do?
A public option that receives tax payer subsidies will have an unfair advantage over the private insurance companies. The CBO estimates 6 million people will be forced out of their current plan by the public option.
You have a strange notion of fairness. According to the IRS, the top 1% of income earners earns 22.8% of the income and pays 40.4% of individual federal income tax. The top 5% earn 37.4% and pay 60.6%. On what planet is that “paying their share”?
Thank you Rustydoorknobs! For anyone who does not understand the plan-that is basically it.
However,I believe that all of this shouting is not really about the health care plan. It is a bunch of liberal-hating conservatives ganging together like a bunch of school yard bullies trying anything they can to pull this administration down. They will start ridiculous rumors and scare the hell out of people to get them to join with them in their unpatriotic attempt to weaken the Obama administration.
Obviously, you people don’t understand that any health care plan now would not be gov’t single payer, and would involve a public OPTION. You understand you can keep you plan if you want? YOU CAN KEEP YOU INSURANCE AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Or, if you’re uninsured, you can use the gov’t plan. Jesus.
We can pay for this if the rich pay their share. They have taken 90% of the economic growth in this country for the last 8 years. The rest of us have mostly stayed the same. Under Eisenhower, anyone making over the equivalent of $5 million a year paid 90% of income over $5M. This was reduced to 70% before Reagan and now is down to 30+%. The stats are that if we went back up to even 50% for over $5M, we could pay off the deficit in 3 years. Think about it.
I would love the gov’t to offer affordable coverage. makes a lot of sense for the uninsured. why are the insured complaining so much? shouldn’t the sick be the loudest?
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
kidona
Neither are stupid congressmen.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 am
dinger
interesting post. It is funny you say read economics, because if you read economics yourself (or even layman’s news for that matter) you would reason that these banks with high paid CEO’s (AIG, Citigroup, etc..) went bankrupt and that by letting them fail they wouuld go broke and lose their bonuses. However, we paid them for failing and they used that money for bonuses. If we didn’t pay them bailout money, they would have no bonuses, its simple as that.
December 5th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
sanholc
When the fix is so easy: 1.tort reform, and 2.make all insurance companies available to us, so as to drive down prices via competitiion, the rational thinkers know something sinister is in the air. Just like the bailouts…wanna fix the economy? Simply let the people keep all of their money for 2 months. Get the grubby gov. hands out of our pockets for a short whole and bingo-done. What did they do? The total opposite. I smell a revolution.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
mackinnon
You haven’t seen angry yet, septfer. When they jam this down the people’s throat,against their will, by their “representative” government, you will see angry.
December 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am
ryan
No, I do not think you or any none stock holder has any basis to claim anyone in any corporation is over paid. That is a decision that should be made by the owners of the company. Do you think the Yankee’s pay ARod too much? Who cares? The owner of the Yankee’s disagrees and it is his money.
The AIG bonuses were going to executives in the portion of that business that made money.
What do the drugs cost to develop? Who should pay that cost?
December 11th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
ampow
You don’t think execs are overpaid? Are you insane? The ratio of highest to lowest paid in this country is over 400 to 1 – it was 40 to 1 in the 70’s. No other developed country comes close – Germany is 15 to 1. Who am I to decide? I live here. So do you. Our economy is in a shambles because of all this greed. You think the AIG execs deserved $1M bonuses after destroying the economy? We pay twice as much for drugs for Medicare than Canada does – that’s our tax dollars. Read some economics!
December 12th, 2009 at 11:08 am
brho
this is unbelievable. the people cheer for 30 seconds like they’re at a football game. “hooray our side! booo the other side!”
you call this a town hall meeting? sorry folks, angry crowds are not credible legislators.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:45 am
havens
See Wendell Potter for inside story of Health Ins Industry tactics
December 13th, 2009 at 8:09 am
eugcont
I meant their. Sorry
December 16th, 2009 at 4:59 am
barden
the young people are out getting hammered
December 16th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
ragland
I don’t see one young person there. Nobody in there 20’s or 30’s. Seems like all middle aged folk.
December 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
lawrbar
Maybe because they EARNED 90% of the growth. Who the hell are you to decide that any executive is overpaid? The shareholders who own the company get to decide how much their work is worth, no one else.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:15 am
britmcco
Where do you get the idea that health insurance companies get 45% of their revenue from the federal government? It simply is not true.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 pm
mawe
How does it work that of every $10 worth of growth over the last 8 years, $9 went to the top 1%? Excessive pay for pharmaceutical execs for example, who charge Medicare twice as much for medications as they charge in other countries and get the govt to make it a crime for us to buy from those countries. Or how about those investment execs who drove our economy into the ground and left with HUGE bonuses? Where do you think the super rich come from? If they pay more, we have more for the rest.
December 25th, 2009 at 5:52 am
sheri
nnhansen, a public option has no more unfair advantage then the already bloated health insurance industry that benefits off a system that gets 45% of it’s wealth from the govt as it is. And even though each year the govt subsidies (ie CORPORATE WELFARE) is increased for the healthcare industry, the actual level of care goes down. If the so-called “private” health insurance industry wants to continue to get FREE MONEY they need to deliver results or shut the hell up.
December 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
michdud
willyohio, there are NO PRIVISIONS to DISMANTLE what already exists. And, if what already exists actually fully worked & the FREE GOVT MONEY that health insurers already receive (to the tune of 45% of health care operating costs) went into insuring more Americans and raising care levels instead of resulted in 19% more Americans being thrown off the insurance rolls and our level of care going down while record profits and record salaries are posted for insurance execs, then we can preserve it.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:22 am
caroline
why must we revamp the entire system to cover you? Yes, let’s get something for you, lets patch those cracks so you don’t fall through them, but don’t dismantle what I have and create a huge mess.
December 26th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
beatrice
I cannot get health care insurance because I have a preexisting condition. Thankfully I am a veteran and have access to health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is socialized medicine. The VA has given me excellent service. I know many others who cannot get insurance because of such things like diabetes. My question for those who do not want reform, what do you propose for people who cannot get insurance or must pay over $800 a month to get limited coverage to do?
December 27th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
pinkston
Watch Youtube video: The Health Care Bill: What they DON’T want you to know!
Stand UP & be heard! WE THE PEOPLE!
December 28th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
harold
A public option that receives tax payer subsidies will have an unfair advantage over the private insurance companies. The CBO estimates 6 million people will be forced out of their current plan by the public option.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:36 am
rayborn
You have a strange notion of fairness. According to the IRS, the top 1% of income earners earns 22.8% of the income and pays 40.4% of individual federal income tax. The top 5% earn 37.4% and pay 60.6%. On what planet is that “paying their share”?
December 31st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
metcalf
Thank you Rustydoorknobs! For anyone who does not understand the plan-that is basically it.
However,I believe that all of this shouting is not really about the health care plan. It is a bunch of liberal-hating conservatives ganging together like a bunch of school yard bullies trying anything they can to pull this administration down. They will start ridiculous rumors and scare the hell out of people to get them to join with them in their unpatriotic attempt to weaken the Obama administration.
January 1st, 2010 at 11:15 pm
toful
Obviously, you people don’t understand that any health care plan now would not be gov’t single payer, and would involve a public OPTION. You understand you can keep you plan if you want? YOU CAN KEEP YOU INSURANCE AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Or, if you’re uninsured, you can use the gov’t plan. Jesus.
January 2nd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
cheram
We can pay for this if the rich pay their share. They have taken 90% of the economic growth in this country for the last 8 years. The rest of us have mostly stayed the same. Under Eisenhower, anyone making over the equivalent of $5 million a year paid 90% of income over $5M. This was reduced to 70% before Reagan and now is down to 30+%. The stats are that if we went back up to even 50% for over $5M, we could pay off the deficit in 3 years. Think about it.
January 4th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
derr
I would love the gov’t to offer affordable coverage. makes a lot of sense for the uninsured. why are the insured complaining so much? shouldn’t the sick be the loudest?